<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=us-ascii"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;">Chris,<div><br></div><div>In record, the VTR will lay down control track pluses, the same pluses will determine actual playback tape speed as referenced to external sync. So two VTRs referenced to the same sync will run at exactly the same speed. A slight diameter difference should not effect speed since the speed is determined by the referenced sync. Assuming the VTR is locked and not drifting.</div><div><br></div><div>If you record on two VTRs that are not referenced to the same video, you will have drift, like in two cameras not gen-locked together recording to separate VTRs.<br><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div apple-content-edited="true">
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It may slip. You can roughen it up with sandpaper or use a sandblaster. No need to replace, just repair.</div><div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline">Best,</div><div>Park</div><div><br></div></div><div>C. Park Seward</div><div>Cell: 818-535-2747</div><div>Home: 541-476-6657</div><div>2" Quad and 1" "C" transfers and more</div><div>The Transfer Lab at Video Park</div><div>Visit us: <a href="http://www.videopark.com">http://www.videopark.com</a></div><div>Facebook at <a href="https://www.facebook.com/transfertape">https://www.facebook.com/transfertape</a></div></span></div></span></div></span></span><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"></div></span></div></span></div></span><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"></div></span><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"></div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><br class="Apple-interchange-newline">
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<br><div><div>On Sep 23, 2014, at 8:49 AM, Chris Hill via QuadList <<a href="mailto:quadlist@quadvideotapegroup.com">quadlist@quadvideotapegroup.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><br><br><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;"><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; color:rgba(127, 127, 127, 1.0);"><b>From: </b></span><span style="font-family:'Helvetica';"><a href="mailto:chill315@aol.com">chill315@aol.com</a><br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;"><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; color:rgba(127, 127, 127, 1.0);"><b>Subject: </b></span><span style="font-family:'Helvetica';"><b>Re: [QuadList] Capstan questions</b><br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;"><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; color:rgba(127, 127, 127, 1.0);"><b>Date: </b></span><span style="font-family:'Helvetica';">September 23, 2014 at 8:49:21 AM PDT<br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;"><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; color:rgba(127, 127, 127, 1.0);"><b>To: </b></span><span style="font-family:'Helvetica';">Dave Sieg <<a href="mailto:dave@zfx.com">dave@zfx.com</a>><br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;"><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; color:rgba(127, 127, 127, 1.0);"><b>Cc: </b></span><span style="font-family:'Helvetica';">Quad List <<a href="mailto:quadlist@quadvideotapegroup.com">quadlist@quadvideotapegroup.com</a>><br></span></div><br><br><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><div dir="auto"><div>Interesting thoughts.</div><div><br></div><div>First this was a record function to make black time coded tapes for editing. This was with the same house sync and house time code generator. Thus all are running to house references. At 15 inches per second 32 minutes gives approximately 28,800 inches of tape. When two machines went for different lights of time it got me interested. </div><div><br></div><div>The playback showed different capstan error so thus the only thing I can come up with is a slight difference in the diameter of the shaft.<br><br>Chris Hill</div><div><br>On Sep 23, 2014, at 11:33 AM, Dave Sieg <<a href="mailto:dave@zfx.com">dave@zfx.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div>Chris:<br>My recollection is that all quads capstan servos in playback basically lock the control track to house reference sync.<br></div>In record they lock to a fixed reference, which could presumeably be mis-adjusted to move slightly<br>more or less tape through the machine per unit time. Nonetheless, in playback, the capstan<br>servo would have to compensate, thus moving the tape at the slightly fast or slow speed in order<br>to get the control track to phase and frequency lock to house reference.<br>So I can see how a slightly mis-adjusted record speed might use a few more or less feet of tape,<br>but that would be compensated for in playback. I can't see how if both machines stayed locked<br></div>they would result in different record times. I'd double check the timecode systems to be sure<br>they were not reading something wrong. Timecode can do funny things while a machine is locking.<br>But once running with no breakup they should be in lockstep with the house sync at least vertically.<br></div>Then again, I've slept a few times since I was "current" in quad maintenance, your mileage may vary!<br></div>Dave<br><div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 10:41 AM, Chris Hill via QuadList <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:quadlist@quadvideotapegroup.com" target="_blank">quadlist@quadvideotapegroup.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><br>
<br><br>---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>From: <a href="mailto:Chill315@aol.com">Chill315@aol.com</a><br>To: <a href="mailto:quadlist@quadvideotapegroup.com">quadlist@quadvideotapegroup.com</a><br>Cc: <br>Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2014 10:41:29 -0400<br>Subject: Capstan questions<br><u></u>
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<div>I always wondered what the tolerances were for the sizes of a
capstan. Reason for the question.</div>
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<div>I was remembering that on a VR-1200 the same tape played on two different
machines would show a positive or negative capstan error. Then we time
coded the same tape on the two machines and there was a difference in the final
time code number by several seconds. Thus there had to be a small
difference over the 32 minutes of tape. </div>
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<div>Now capstan sizes. The VR series used basically the same size
capstan. As well as the AVR-2. the AVR-1, ACR-25 used the vacuum
capstan that was substantially larger. As I never inspected an AVR-3, I
can only look at the pictures and surmise that it was similar to the AVR-1
capstan. What were the tolerances? Were the vacuum capstans a
variable that enters into the equation? I only worked with an ACR so do
not have the experience with the AVR-1.</div>
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<div>Does anyone have insight for this set of questions?</div>
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<div>Then the last question is we all know that the tape does have an
abrasive quality to it. Being that the back side touches the capstan and
front side touches the roller, the tape would not wear down the
capstan like an audio head or guide. Yet I have seen a number of capstans
that show a polished portion that could be taken for wear. Has anyone ever
had to replace a capstan due to excessive wear?</div>
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<div>Chris Hill</div>
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