<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div>Hi, Ed, Mitch and other folks wondering why they may have gotten "disabled due to excessive bounce" notices:</div><div><br></div><blockquote class="webkit-indent-blockquote" style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><div>When you subscribe to the QuadList, <b>your subscription is infinite unless:</b></div><div><ul><li>You unsubscribe yourself</li><li>I unsubscribe you (not likely) </li><li>There's a problem with your e-mail address rejecting mail from the QuadList.</li></ul></div><div>Some reasons for rejects could be when an e-mail box is full, or for some other issue.</div></blockquote><blockquote class="webkit-indent-blockquote" style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><div><br></div><div>The MailMan software used by the QuadList can see whether this is a temporary issue or a fatal (permanent) issue and scores the situation by whether its temp or fatal, and how often the bounces happen. </div><div><br></div><div>If the bounces reach a certain score, the account is disabled and you are sent a notice about it.</div><div><br></div></blockquote><blockquote class="webkit-indent-blockquote" style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><blockquote class="webkit-indent-blockquote" style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><div><b>The disable is intended to keep from having the mailing list equivalent of a feedback loop continually bouncing messages between the two servers like a ping-pong ball.</b></div></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote class="webkit-indent-blockquote" style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><div><br></div><div>My QuadList admin e-mail account is also sent a notification so I can check on what's happening.</div><div><br></div></blockquote><div>What happened to you overnight:</div><div><br></div><blockquote class="webkit-indent-blockquote" style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><div>Your e-mail accounts triggered a reject, aka as a "bounce."</div><div><br></div><div>A "bounce" occurs when a recipient's e-mail server rejects the e-mail sent from the list, and sends a reject notice to the QuadList mailman server.</div><div><br></div><div>Again, the disable is intended to keep from having the mailing list equivalent of a feedback loop continually bouncing messages between the two servers like a ping-pong ball.</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>As the List Admin (aka List Mum), I did some checking of the list interface and my mailbox that receives Admin-directed notices.</div><div><br></div><div>The bounces appear to have begun when Ed replied from his <a href="http://AOL.com">AOL.com</a> account to <span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px; "><b>Re: RCA Coffin Cam and Friction head-</b></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px; "><b><br></b></span></div><blockquote class="webkit-indent-blockquote" style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px; "><b><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 63px; text-indent: -63px; font: normal normal normal 14px/normal Helvetica; "><span style="color: #7f7f7f"><b>From: </b><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span></span>Ed Sharpe <<a href="mailto:COURYHOUSE@aol.com">COURYHOUSE@aol.com</a>></div><p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 1.0px 67.0px; text-indent: -67.0px; font: 14.0px Helvetica"><span style="color: #7f7f7f"><b>Subject: </b><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span></span><b>Re: RCA Coffin Cam and Friction head-- (was [QuadList] QuadList Digest, Vol 7...</b></p><p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 1.0px 67.0px; text-indent: -67.0px; font: 14.0px Helvetica"><span style="color: #7f7f7f"><b>Date: </b><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span></span>May 3, 2014 10:02:58 PM PDT</p><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 63px; text-indent: -63px; font: normal normal normal 14px/normal Helvetica; "><span style="color: #7f7f7f"><b>To: </b><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span></span>Ted Langdell <<a href="mailto:ted@quadvideotapegroup.com">ted@quadvideotapegroup.com</a>>, Mike Boland <<a href="mailto:mboland@bolandcom.com">mboland@bolandcom.com</a>>, Quad List <<a href="mailto:quadlist@quadvideotapegroup.com">quadlist@quadvideotapegroup.com</a>></div></b></span></div></blockquote><div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px; "><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px; ">That triggered bounces or rejects</span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px; "> a number of QuadList members with AOL accounts, and</span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px; "> a number of Yahoo-based or managed e-mail accounts including <a href="http://yahoo.com">yahoo.com</a>, <a href="http://sky.com">sky.com</a> and those managed for AT&T and related companies with email addresses like @bellsouth,com, for example. </span></div><div><br></div></div><div>Several things happened:</div><blockquote class="webkit-indent-blockquote" style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><div>The bounces disabled the bouncing accounts</div><div>Disabled recipients got a message like the one that Ed passed on to the list, (a practice that exposes your QuadList account to the list)</div><div>The bounces triggered a message to me about the rejects</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Checking the bounce notices in my Admin e-mail box:</div><div><br></div><blockquote class="webkit-indent-blockquote" style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><div>Yahoo's and AOL's explanations of why the QuadList was rejected appear to be for the same reasons:</div><div><br></div><div> (DMARC) This message failed DMARC Evaluation for an AOL Domain. For more information please visit <a href="http://postmaster-blog.aol.com/2014/04/22/aol-mail-updates-dmarc-policy-to-reject/">http://postmaster-blog.aol.com/2014/04/22/aol-mail-updates-dmarc-policy-to-reject/</a></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 13px; "><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 13px; ">554_5.7.9_Message_not_accepted_for_policy_reasons.__See_</span><a href="http://postmaster.yahoo.com/errors/postmaster-28.html">http://postmaster.yahoo.com/errors/postmaster-28.html</a></div><div><br></div><div><a href="https://help.yahoo.com/kb/SLN7253.html?impressions=true">https://help.yahoo.com/kb/SLN7253.html?impressions=true</a></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>AOL and Yahoo's recent changes are designed to prevent @AOL.com and Yahoo and Yahoo managed e-mail addresses from being used to send spam from other mail servers.</div><div><br></div><blockquote class="webkit-indent-blockquote" style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><div>On the webpages linked to above, AOL and Yahoo both say:</div><div><br></div><div><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 11px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: 16.799999237060547px; orphans: auto; text-align: left; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); display: inline !important; float: none;">For mailing lists, also known as listservs, we recommend configuring reply behavior to fill the From line with the mailing list's address rather than the sender's and put the actual user / sender address into the Reply-To: line. Please also note that current "auto unsubscribe" logic based upon bounces might be too rigid until this change has been in place for a while.</span><br style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 11px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: 16.799999237060547px; orphans: auto; text-align: left; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>In reading the two explanations, I'm a bit confused as to whether they're trying to tell their e-mail users to change their behavior, or suggesting that the MailList change its practice.</div><div><br></div><div>I'll be asking both to clarify what they mean, and if they are recommending that the QuadList change how the From and Reply To are filled out by MailMan, working on how to do that.</div><div><br></div><div><b>In the meantime:</b></div><blockquote class="webkit-indent-blockquote" style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><div><b><br></b></div><div><b>Please reply to the list only.</b></div></blockquote><div><br></div><blockquote class="webkit-indent-blockquote" style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><div>I note that Ed's reply had me, Mike Boland AND the list in the TO line.</div><div><br></div><div>Perhaps replying ONLY to the list will address the problem... particularly if it has to do with mail being sent from AOL accounts.</div><div><br></div></blockquote>I'll keep you posted as I find out anything else.<div><br></div><div>Ted<br><div><br></div><div><div>On May 3, 2014, at 10:23 PM, <a href="mailto:couryhouse@aol.com">couryhouse@aol.com</a> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><br>
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