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<DIV>no, my mailbox is not full...</DIV>
<DIV>it is also an effect of this quirky listserv
software.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Ed</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>In a message dated 5/4/2014 9:58:53 A.M. Mountain Standard Time,
ted@quadvideotapegroup.com writes:</DIV>
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<DIV>Hi, Ed, Mitch and other folks wondering why they may have gotten
"disabled due to excessive bounce" notices:</DIV>
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<DIV>When you subscribe to the QuadList, <B>your subscription is infinite
unless:</B></DIV>
<DIV>
<UL>
<LI>You unsubscribe yourself
<LI>I unsubscribe you (not likely)
<LI>There's a problem with your e-mail address rejecting mail from the
QuadList.</LI></UL></DIV>
<DIV>Some reasons for rejects could be when an e-mail box is full, or for
some other issue.</DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
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<DIV>The MailMan software used by the QuadList can see whether this is a
temporary issue or a fatal (permanent) issue and scores the situation by
whether its temp or fatal, and how often the bounces happen. </DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>If the bounces reach a certain score, the account is disabled and you
are sent a notice about it.</DIV>
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<DIV><B>The disable is intended to keep from having the mailing list
equivalent of a feedback loop continually bouncing messages between the
two servers like a ping-pong ball.</B></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>
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<DIV>My QuadList admin e-mail account is also sent a notification so I can
check on what's happening.</DIV>
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<DIV>What happened to you overnight:</DIV>
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<DIV>Your e-mail accounts triggered a reject, aka as a "bounce."</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>A "bounce" occurs when a recipient's e-mail server rejects the e-mail
sent from the list, and sends a reject notice to the QuadList mailman
server.</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Again, the disable is intended to keep from having the mailing list
equivalent of a feedback loop continually bouncing messages between the two
servers like a ping-pong ball.</DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>As the List Admin (aka List Mum), I did some checking of the list
interface and my mailbox that receives Admin-directed notices.</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>The bounces appear to have begun when Ed replied from his <A
title=http://aol.com/ href="http://aol.com/">AOL.com</A> account to <SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14px" class=Apple-style-span><B>Re: RCA Coffin Cam and
Friction head-</B></SPAN></DIV>
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style="COLOR: #7f7f7f"><B>From: </B><SPAN style="WHITE-SPACE: pre"
class=Apple-tab-span></SPAN></SPAN>Ed Sharpe <<A
title=mailto:COURYHOUSE@aol.com
href="mailto:COURYHOUSE@aol.com">COURYHOUSE@aol.com</A>></DIV>
<P
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style="COLOR: #7f7f7f"><B>Subject: </B><SPAN style="WHITE-SPACE: pre"
class=Apple-tab-span></SPAN></SPAN><B>Re: RCA Coffin Cam and Friction head--
(was [QuadList] QuadList Digest, Vol 7...</B></P>
<P
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style="COLOR: #7f7f7f"><B>Date: </B><SPAN style="WHITE-SPACE: pre"
class=Apple-tab-span></SPAN></SPAN>May 3, 2014 10:02:58 PM PDT</P>
<DIV
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style="COLOR: #7f7f7f"><B>To: </B><SPAN style="WHITE-SPACE: pre"
class=Apple-tab-span></SPAN></SPAN>Ted Langdell <<A
title=mailto:ted@quadvideotapegroup.com
href="mailto:ted@quadvideotapegroup.com">ted@quadvideotapegroup.com</A>>,
Mike Boland <<A title=mailto:mboland@bolandcom.com
href="mailto:mboland@bolandcom.com">mboland@bolandcom.com</A>>, Quad List
<<A title=mailto:quadlist@quadvideotapegroup.com
href="mailto:quadlist@quadvideotapegroup.com">quadlist@quadvideotapegroup.com</A>></DIV></B></SPAN></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
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<DIV><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 14px" class=Apple-style-span><BR></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 14px" class=Apple-style-span>That triggered
bounces or rejects</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 14px"
class=Apple-style-span> a number of QuadList members with AOL accounts,
and</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 14px" class=Apple-style-span> a number
of Yahoo-based or managed e-mail accounts including <A title=http://yahoo.com/
href="http://yahoo.com/">yahoo.com</A>, <A title=http://sky.com/
href="http://sky.com/">sky.com</A> and those managed for AT&T and related
companies with email addresses like @bellsouth,com, for example.
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<DIV><BR></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>Several things happened:</DIV>
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<DIV>The bounces disabled the bouncing accounts</DIV>
<DIV>Disabled recipients got a message like the one that Ed passed on to the
list, (a practice that exposes your QuadList account to the list)</DIV>
<DIV>The bounces triggered a message to me about the
rejects</DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Checking the bounce notices in my Admin e-mail box:</DIV>
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<DIV>Yahoo's and AOL's explanations of why the QuadList was rejected appear
to be for the same reasons:</DIV>
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<DIV> (DMARC) This message failed DMARC Evaluation for an AOL Domain.
For more information please visit <A
title=http://postmaster-blog.aol.com/2014/04/22/aol-mail-updates-dmarc-policy-to-reject/
href="http://postmaster-blog.aol.com/2014/04/22/aol-mail-updates-dmarc-policy-to-reject/">http://postmaster-blog.aol.com/2014/04/22/aol-mail-updates-dmarc-policy-to-reject/</A></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 13px"
class=Apple-style-span>554_5.7.9_Message_not_accepted_for_policy_reasons.__See_</SPAN><A
title=http://postmaster.yahoo.com/errors/postmaster-28.html
href="http://postmaster.yahoo.com/errors/postmaster-28.html">http://postmaster.yahoo.com/errors/postmaster-28.html</A></DIV>
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<DIV><A title=https://help.yahoo.com/kb/SLN7253.html?impressions=true
href="https://help.yahoo.com/kb/SLN7253.html?impressions=true">https://help.yahoo.com/kb/SLN7253.html?impressions=true</A></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
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<DIV>AOL and Yahoo's recent changes are designed to prevent @AOL.com and Yahoo
and Yahoo managed e-mail addresses from being used to send spam from other
mail servers.</DIV>
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<DIV>On the webpages linked to above, AOL and Yahoo both say:</DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN
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mailing lists, also known as listservs, we recommend configuring reply
behavior to fill the From line with the mailing list's address rather than
the sender's and put the actual user / sender address into the Reply-To:
line. Please also note that current "auto unsubscribe" logic based upon
bounces might be too rigid until this change has been in place for a
while.</SPAN><BR
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<DIV>In reading the two explanations, I'm a bit confused as to whether they're
trying to tell their e-mail users to change their behavior, or suggesting that
the MailList change its practice.</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>I'll be asking both to clarify what they mean, and if they are
recommending that the QuadList change how the From and Reply To are filled out
by MailMan, working on how to do that.</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><B>In the meantime:</B></DIV>
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<DIV><B>Please reply to the list only.</B></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
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<DIV>I note that Ed's reply had me, Mike Boland AND the list in the TO
line.</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Perhaps replying ONLY to the list will address the problem...
particularly if it has to do with mail being sent from AOL accounts.</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>I'll keep you posted as I find out anything else.
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Ted<BR>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>On May 3, 2014, at 10:23 PM, <A title=mailto:couryhouse@aol.com
href="mailto:couryhouse@aol.com">couryhouse@aol.com</A> wrote:</DIV><BR
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<DIV>i just got this!?</DIV>
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<DIV>Your membership in the mailing list QuadList has been disabled due
to<BR>excessive bounces The last bounce received from you was
dated<BR>04-May-2014. You will not get any more messages from this
list until<BR>you re-enable your membership. You will receive 3 more
reminders like<BR>this before your membership in the list is
deleted.<BR><BR>To re-enable your membership, you can simply respond to this
message<BR>(leaving the Subject: line intact), or visit the confirmation
page at<BR><BR> <A
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<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 14px"><FONT class=Apple-style-span size=3><SPAN
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Langdell</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 14px"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12px"
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