<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Yea we know about that tape as well.<div><br></div><div>From what we understand, this tape was made in the control room at JSC during the landing. </div><div><br></div><div>Thus this is the path.</div><div><br></div><div>From Moon to Australia.</div><div><br></div><div>Conversion to NTSC</div><div><br></div><div>Transmission to the U.S.</div><div><br></div><div>Recorded at NASA JSC</div><div><br></div><div>While this tape is probably the best that we know of today, it is generations from the good stuff.</div><div><br></div><div>Dennis</div><div><br></div><div><div><div>On May 2, 2012, at 10:05 AM, David Crosthwait wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div>This subject is going through a discussion on the Ampex list. One participant has submitted a set of images for comparison:</div><div><br></div><div><a href="http://gcmstudio.com/imagesonly/moonlanding.jpg">http://gcmstudio.com/imagesonly/moonlanding.jpg</a></div><div><br></div><div>Several years ago, a set of 2" quad tapes (output of the scan conversion as it arrived in Houston and recorded on Ampex gear, before being transmitted to NYC via AT&T microwave/coaxial cable) was brought here for recovery. The story of these tapes and their existence is the subject of a movie in production:</div><div><br></div><div><a href="http://trailers.apple.com/trailers/independent/julymoon/">http://trailers.apple.com/trailers/independent/julymoon/</a></div><div><br></div>Until the original data tapes are found, this set of 2" quad tapes may yield the best images as it was recorded before the feed (and subsequent expected loss of quality) to New York<div><div><br></div>Lowry Digital processed a set of recordings (some of which were recorded from the JSC to NYC feed at the NYC end) for a government entity for the 40th. anniversary in 2009. A NASA press conference introduced the principals involved. Of course, Mr. Lowry has passed away and the project leader has left Lowry, moving on to another company. It is believed that this set of 2" tapes can be the basis of a higher quality restoration effort in lieu of the raw data tapes. This remains to be seen.</div><div><br></div><div>Bill Wood (a visitor here to our facility) has an excellent tutorial on Apollo era TV transmissions:</div><div><br></div><div><a href="http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/ApolloTV-Acrobat5.pdf">http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/ApolloTV-Acrobat5.pdf</a></div><div><br></div><div>Meanwhile, the search for any original slow scan videotapes and/or data tapes continues. Our VR 660 awaits the surfacing of the slowscan-to-helical recordings.</div><div><br></div><div><div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-variant: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-variant: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-variant: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-variant: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-variant: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Best Regards,<br><br>David Crosthwait<br>DC Video<br><i style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; font-weight: normal; ">Videotape transfers and more!</i><br><br><font class="Apple-style-span" size="2">177 West Magnolia Blvd.<br>Burbank, CA. 91502<br>818-563-1073<br>818-563-1177 (fax)<br>818-285-9942 (cell)<br><a href="mailto:david@dcvideo.com">david@dcvideo.com</a><br><a href="http://www.dcvideo.com">www.dcvideo.com</a><br>Follow DC Video on Facebook: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/dcvideo">https://www.facebook.com/dcvideo</a><br></font><br><br></div></span></div></span></div></span></div></span></div></span></span>
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<br><div><div>On May 2, 2012, at 8:56 AM, C. Park Seward wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">We have discussed the possibility of trying to find the original slow scan moon landing tapes. Here is a series of photos showing the difference in quality of the slow scan vs. the scan converted. At that time, the only was to get the image into a broadcast format was to shoot the slow-scan monitor (with slow decay phosphors) with a camera.<div><br></div><div>I also read that NASA would record a lot of tape for each mission and if the mission was a success, they would re-use the tapes. But I think it was the data tapes, not the special video tape. It's thought the original tape was probably recorded on a modified 660 in Australia.</div><div><br></div><div>"<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 19px; ">For </span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 19px; "><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_11" title="Apollo 11" style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(6, 69, 173); background-image: none; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: initial; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; ">Apollo 11</a></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 19px; ">, </span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 19px; "><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NASA" title="NASA" style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(6, 69, 173); background-image: none; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: initial; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; ">NASA</a></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 19px; "> installed a VR-660 as part of a </span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 19px; "><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_TV_camera#RCA_slow_scan_TV_camera" title="Apollo TV camera" style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(6, 69, 173); background-image: none; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: initial; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; ">slow-scan</a></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 19px; "> video system for recording at </span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 19px; "><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honeysuckle_Creek_Tracking_Station" title="Honeysuckle Creek Tracking Station" style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(6, 69, 173); background-image: none; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: initial; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; ">Honeysuckle Creek Tracking Station</a></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 19px; "> in </span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 19px; "><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australia" title="Australia" style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(6, 69, 173); background-image: none; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: initial; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; ">Australia</a></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 19px; ">. The </span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 19px; "><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slow-scan_television" title="Slow-scan television" style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(6, 69, 173); background-image: none; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: initial; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; ">slow-scan television</a></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 19px; "> video transmitted from Apollo 11 had a resolution of 250 TV lines at 10 frames per second, where it was then converted using equipment at the tracking station to standard 525-line 30 frames-per-second NTSC video, and then recorded to the VR-660."</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 19px; "><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 19px; "><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ampex_2_inch_helical_VTR">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ampex_2_inch_helical_VTR</a></span></div><div><br></div><div>Of course the other earth stations were not in view of the moon, thus only Australia could receive the signal from the moon.<br><div apple-content-edited="true">
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