<html><head><base href="x-msg://561/"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Interesting find Don. Google Translate debauchery says: <div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: arial, sans-serif; "><font class="Apple-style-span" size="2"><span title="ie vorliegenden Geräte sind/waren Teil der prof."><br></span></font></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: arial, sans-serif; "><span title="ie vorliegenden Geräte sind/waren Teil der prof.">"ie this device are / were part of the prof. </span><span title="Schiene der Grundig AG im Geschäftsbereich Electronic.">Rail of Grundig AG in Electronic Business. </span><span title="Es handelte sich hierbei um prof.">It was a question of prof. </span><span title="1 Zoll Videomagnetbandgeräte, welche im Schrägspurverfahren nach Schüller mit 2 rotierenden Videoköpfen sowie 2 weiteren rotierenden Löschköpfen arbeiteten.">1 inch video tape equipment, which worked in the helical scanning system according to Schüller with 2 rotating video heads and 2 other rotary erase heads. </span><span title="Die hierbei erzielte Relativgeschwindigkeit Kopf/Band lag bei ca. 19,7 m/sec bei einer Bandvorschubgeschwindigkeit von 22cm/sec.">The relative speed achieved in this case the head / tape was about 19.7 m / sec at a speed of tape advance 22cm/sec. </span><span title="Die hierbei erreichten Videobandbreiten lagen anfangs (1972: BK 200) noch bei 8Mhz, später bei >10Mhz (1977:BK411) bei einem S/N von >55 dB!.">The video bandwidth achieved on this occasion were initially (1972: BK 200) nor in 8Mhz later at> 10Mhz (1977: BK411) with an S / N> 55 dB!. </span><span title="Es konnten normale Videosignale nach CCIR in schwarz-weiß oder mit dem LIR Baustein auch in Farbe (PAL oder SECAM L/M oder AIA (USA: NTSC Norm) aufgezeichnet werden, aber auch nicht standardgerechte Signale wurden mit diesen Geräten aufgezeichnet.">It was a normal video signals to CCIR in black and white or with the LIR block in color (PAL or SECAM L / M, or AIA (USA: NTSC standard are recorded), but not just standard signals were recorded with these devices.<br><br></span><span title="Darunter z.B.">Including for example </span><span title="die Bildsignale von Radarsichtgeräten (Fluglotsen, militärische Anwendungen), aber auch die diagnostischen Bildsignale im medizinischen Bereich.">the image signals from radar sighting equipment (air traffic controllers, military applications), but also the diagnostic image signals in the medical field. </span><span title="Man findet diese Geräte auch heute noch in vielen medizinischen Kliníken, sie werden aber heute hauptsächlich aus Archivierungsgründen noch verwendet, bis alle Aufzeichnungen auf andere Medien überspielt sind.">You can find these devices are still used in many medical clinics, but they are now used mainly for archiving purposes or until all records are transferred to other media.<br><br></span><span title="Auch Audiomäßig steht das Gerät nicht schlecht da: 2 vollkommen voneinander unabhängige Tonspuren, Timecode vorbereitet (eine Spur),Frequenzgang bis >22000Hz.">Also standard is the audio device is not as bad: two completely independent tracks, timecode prepare (a trail), frequency response to> 22000Hz."</span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: arial, sans-serif; "><span title="Auch Audiomäßig steht das Gerät nicht schlecht da: 2 vollkommen voneinander unabhängige Tonspuren, Timecode vorbereitet (eine Spur),Frequenzgang bis >22000Hz."><br></span></span></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#333333" face="arial, sans-serif">David, when all is said and done, who knows what you may find on that tape. Visually looking at Don's link pictures, it's difficult to determine if this is a B wrap machine or not.</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#333333" face="arial, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#333333" face="arial, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><div apple-content-edited="true"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-variant: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-variant: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-variant: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-variant: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-variant: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">David Crosthwait<br>DC Video<font class="Apple-style-span" size="2"><i><br></i><br><a href="http://www.dcvideo.com">www.dcvideo.com</a><br></font><br><br></div></span></div></span></div></span></div></span></div></span></span>
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<br><div><div>On Apr 16, 2012, at 12:51 PM, Don Norwood wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "><div bgcolor="#ffffff" style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div>Perhaps the planets are aligned strangely.....I've had more odd 1" format situations in the past 30 days than I've had in years!</div><div> </div><div>Following up on David Crosthwait's finding below, look at the info here regarding the BK411 (a later version of the 401 with better bandwidth according to the information posted in German):</div><div><a href="http://www.radiomuseum.org/r/grundig_bk401_1023.html">http://www.radiomuseum.org/r/grundig_bk401_1023.html</a></div><div>Can't tell about the B-wind, but the speed matches what was quoted in David Dean's original question. According to the post, the 411 came out in 1977, so it seems a bit unusual that it would have still been in use in '89.</div><div> </div><div>Don Norwood<br>Digitrak Communications, Inc.<br><a href="http://www.digitrakcom.com">www.digitrakcom.com</a></div><blockquote style="border-left-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); border-left-width: 2px; border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 5px; padding-right: 0px; margin-left: 5px; margin-right: 0px; "><div style="font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; ">----- Original Message -----</div><div style="font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: rgb(228, 228, 228); background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; "><b>From:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a title="david@dcvideo.com" href="mailto:david@dcvideo.com">David Crosthwait</a></div><div> </div><div>Mr. Dean has indicated that it is a 10.5" reel. That will not fit onto any IVC machine except the 900 series, the really big decks. </div><div><br><div>BASF B wind. 1989. No audio except for control noises. Interesting. Computer tape? </div><div><br></div><div>Some searching indicates that this was used as standard video tape and for medical imaging using a Grunding VTR:</div><div><a href="http://horizon.documentation.ird.fr/exl-doc/pleins_textes/pleins_textes_5/pt5/nemato/24492.pdf">http://horizon.documentation.ird.fr/exl-doc/pleins_textes/pleins_textes_5/pt5/nemato/24492.pdf</a></div><div><p><span style="font-family: TimesNewRomanPSMT; font-size: 10pt; ">"Professional 2.5 cm video recorder Grunding BK 411<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="font-family: TimesNewRomanPSMT; font-size: 11pt; ">HE,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="font-family: TimesNewRomanPSMT; font-size: 10pt; ">10MHz resolution, converted to 875lines/50<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="font-family: TimesNewRomanPSMT; font-size: 11pt; ">Hz.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="font-family: TimesNewRomanPSMT; font-size: 10pt; ">110<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 10pt; font-weight: 700; ">min.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="font-family: TimesNewRomanPSMT; font-size: 10pt; ">playing time (2.5 cm chromium dioxide BASF tapes CV 26 R). With electronic editing to assemble and insert various scenes; slow motion forward and reverse and additional module to record individual frames with stationary magnetic tape."</span></p><div>Was Grunding a B wrap machine?</div><div><br></div></div><div><div apple-content-edited="true"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="line-height: normal; widows: 2; text-transform: none; font-variant: normal; text-indent: 0px; border-collapse: separate; font-family: Helvetica; white-space: normal; orphans: 2; letter-spacing: normal; font-size: medium; font-weight: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="line-height: normal; widows: 2; text-transform: none; font-variant: normal; text-indent: 0px; border-collapse: separate; white-space: normal; orphans: 2; letter-spacing: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="line-height: normal; widows: 2; text-transform: none; font-variant: normal; text-indent: 0px; border-collapse: separate; white-space: normal; orphans: 2; letter-spacing: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="line-height: normal; widows: 2; text-transform: none; font-variant: normal; text-indent: 0px; border-collapse: separate; white-space: normal; orphans: 2; letter-spacing: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="line-height: normal; widows: 2; text-transform: none; font-variant: normal; text-indent: 0px; border-collapse: separate; white-space: normal; orphans: 2; letter-spacing: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="line-height: normal; widows: 2; text-transform: none; font-variant: normal; text-indent: 0px; border-collapse: separate; white-space: normal; orphans: 2; letter-spacing: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><font class="Apple-style-span" size="2" style="font-style: normal; "><a href="mailto:david@dcvideo.com">david@dcvideo.com</a><br></font><br></div></span></div></span></div></span></div></span></div></span></span></div><div><div> </div><blockquote type="cite"><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><blockquote type="cite"><div><div class="WordSection1"><div><div style="border-bottom-width: medium; border-bottom-style: none; border-bottom-color: initial; border-left-width: medium; border-left-style: none; border-left-color: initial; padding-bottom: 0cm; padding-left: 0cm; padding-right: 0cm; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); border-top-width: 1pt; border-top-style: solid; border-right-width: medium; border-right-style: none; border-right-color: initial; padding-top: 3pt; "><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; ">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:quadlist-bounces@quadvideotapegroup.com">quadlist-bounces@quadvideotapegroup.com</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[mailto:quadlist-bounces@quadvideotapegroup.com]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>David Dean<br><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>16 April 2012 17:07<br><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Quad List<br><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[QuadList] OT Has anyone heard of this?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: black; font-size: 10pt; ">Hi<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: black; font-size: 10pt; "><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: black; font-size: 10pt; ">I have a weird "Video Tape", it is made by BASF and has the following info - CV26R 1440m, 114 mins (@21 cms/\sec) GPR-Standard on a 10.5 inch NAB 1" reel. The tape has 20 feet of clear leader at the start and end, and was recorded in 1989. It is also a "B" wind. It does not produce anything on a B or C format macine other than some control signalls from the audio.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: black; font-size: 10pt; "><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: black; font-size: 10pt; ">Any good ideas, thanks<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: black; font-size: 10pt; "><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: black; font-size: 10pt; ">David Dean<br></span></p></div></div></div></blockquote></div></blockquote></div></div></div></blockquote>Please trim posts to relevant info when replying.<br><br>Change subject to reflect thread direction. Thanks.<br>_______________________________________________<br><br>Send QuadList list posts to<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:QuadList@quadvideotapegroup.com">QuadList@quadvideotapegroup.com</a><br>Your subscribe, unsubscribe and digest options are here:<br><a href="http://mail.quadvideotapegroup.com/mailman/listinfo/quadlist_quadvideotapegroup.com">http://mail.quadvideotapegroup.com/mailman/listinfo/quadlist_quadvideotapegroup.com</a></div></span></blockquote></div><br></div></body></html>