<html><body bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.292969); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); ">The questions are: How much does it take to design a machine that will clean tapes effectively and safely, then how much to actually manufacture it and to have a profit margin that is conducive enough to do the first two things? </span><br></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.292969); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); "><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.292969); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); ">The number of potential or actual sales plays a big role in setting a price. </span></div><div><br></div><div>That's likely why Bow wants $38k, and why RTI asks what it does for its'</div><div> machines. And doesn't make certain models anymore. </div><div><br></div><div>What different potential purchasers become willing to pay is something else. </div><div><br></div><div>Lee mentions Bow. It's focus is on data tape equipment, a larger market for cleaners than videotape, likely because data recovery and retention is seen as "necessary" where video gets tagged as art or entertainment and isn't Viewed as ultimately necessary.</div><div><br></div><div>So there's more potential volume there, and a better ROI. </div><div><br></div><div>If monetizing content on old videotapes had a significant profit benefit, you'd see more volume of tapes being transferred or restored and more investment in development of tools to recover content.</div><div><br></div><div>That could include tape cleaners, new VTRs for older formats using current science and advancements. </div><div><br></div><div>There are people ready to move ahead with items if someone wants to invest. </div><div><br></div><div>Perhaps a group of potential users helps fund that activity?</div><div><br></div><div>That could improve the availability of equipment. </div><div><br></div><div>Lee says he's been waiting more than two years for a used Elcon to show up at a reasonable price. </div><div><br></div><div>And he'll likely still be waiting for quite a while. </div><div><br></div><div>And then hope it's working, has a service and ops manual and that parts are available. </div><div><br></div><div>What to do if one needs a cleaner Now? </div><div><br></div><div>What would a "reasonable" weekly rental fee for use of a currently manufactured machine be?</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); ">Ted</span></div><div><div><br></div>Sent from my iPhone<div>(530) 301-2931</div><div>Skype: tedlangdell</div><div>iChat: flashscan8us</div></div><div><br>On Nov 4, 2011, at 11:31 PM, lee williams <<a href="mailto:lasvegastvengineer@yahoo.com">lasvegastvengineer@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div><span>Well as a matter of fact I have been looking for a Elcon for the last 2 years for a reasonable price. </span></div><div><br></div><div>Last year Bow wanted 38,000 for a new 632 and I have seen them used for 17,000. <br></div><div>If somebody has a working Elcon or other model that takes the cleaning tissues, I have 2 different clients that would pay 5,000 tomorrow. </div><div><br></div><div><br><span></span></div><div><br></div><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><font face="Arial" size="2"><hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> Ted Langdell <<a href="mailto:ted@quadvideotapegroup.com">ted@quadvideotapegroup.com</a>><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Quad List
<<a href="mailto:quadlist@quadvideotapegroup.com">quadlist@quadvideotapegroup.com</a>><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Friday, November 4, 2011 8:51 PM<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [QuadList] Noticed a 2 inch tape cleaner for sale on E-Bay.<br></font><br>
<div id="yiv442503002"><div><div>Who wants to buy? </div><div><br><div>Ted</div><div><br></div>Sent from my iPhone<div>(530) 301-2931</div><div>Skype: tedlangdell</div><div>iChat: flashscan8us</div></div><div><br>On Nov 3, 2011, at 9:43 PM, "C. Park Seward" <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:park@videopark.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:park@videopark.com"><a href="mailto:park@videopark.com">park@videopark.com</a></a>> wrote:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div>Ted</div><div><br></div><div>Make a few at that price !<br><br><div>Best,</div><div>Park</div><div><br></div>Sent from my iPhone<div>818-535-2747 cell</div>(541) 476-6657 hm<div>2" and 1" video transfers</div></div><div><br>On Nov 3, 2011, at 7:45 PM, Ted Langdell <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:ted@quadvideotapegroup.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:ted@quadvideotapegroup.com"></a><a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:ted@quadvideotapegroup.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:ted@quadvideotapegroup.com"><a href="mailto:ted@quadvideotapegroup.com">ted@quadvideotapegroup.com</a></a>> wrote:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div>And it sold for $4,624.99 </div><div><br><div>Ted</div><div><br></div>Sent from my iPhone<div>(530) 301-2931</div><div>Skype: tedlangdell</div><div>iChat: flashscan8us</div></div><div><br>On Nov 3, 2011, at 5:54 PM, lee williams <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:lasvegastvengineer@yahoo.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:lasvegastvengineer@yahoo.com"></a><a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:lasvegastvengineer@yahoo.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:lasvegastvengineer@yahoo.com"><a href="mailto:lasvegastvengineer@yahoo.com">lasvegastvengineer@yahoo.com</a></a>> wrote:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><div style=""><span style="">Noticed that somebody has a 2" <span id="yiv442503002misspell-0" class="yiv442503002mark">Recortec<var id="yiv442503002yui-ie-cursor"></var></span> for sale on e-bay. </span></div>
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