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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple style='word-wrap: break-word;-webkit-nbsp-mode: space;-webkit-line-break: after-white-space'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Yes we only had the Ediview solution to see the tracks, There was later kit that displayed the control track on a scope tube, but I never got my hands on one, <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>being a PAL county you had to get the 4 frame sequence correct or there were blue faces.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Also needed to record tack phase correctly if you wanted to join one tape to another, or you lost or gained lines at the edit and it would roll over.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Whenever the edit did not work and had to be remade earlier ( even in electronic days) they expression “working your way back to the lineup” was coined ie the bars at the head<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I still use the expression today when something goes wrong and you need to dig further, often fixing the car<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Old habits die hard <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>TrevorB<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>UK member<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> quadlist-bounces@quadvideotapegroup.com [mailto:quadlist-bounces@quadvideotapegroup.com] <b>On Behalf Of </b>David Crosthwait<br><b>Sent:</b> 02 December 2010 16:34<br><b>To:</b> Quad List<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [QuadList] Mechanical Splices<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>George,<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>In case you missed the post a few months ago, here are a couple of editors who used to splice NBC programs as we gathered for a monthly luncheon. Add the edit view solution, the iron oxide, the Smith Splicer, and these editors, you could produce a well edited show.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><img width=320 height=240 id=f065cbc5-cd17-4b73-a6a4-02d222d88867 src="cid:image001.jpg@01CB9241.FAC7D1C0"><img width=320 height=240 id=fb943e61-ff56-4194-a686-82c6b885a963 src="cid:image002.jpg@01CB9241.FAC7D1C0"><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>The restaurant is still abuzz about what this contraption was at the table. We may have been one step short of a visit by LAPD SWAT at that time.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>David<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Dec 2, 2010, at 7:38 AM, george keller wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Right,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>The stuff was called "Ediview" solution, it was a real fine iron oxide mixed in "Freon TF". It worked fine. You just squirted some on the tape, blow on it for a moment and you could see the "Edit" pulses on the tape. The splicers had a small microscope on it to make it easier to see them. They weren't doing many splice edits by the time I got there, but the splicer used was made by the CBS machine shop, it didn't do any "L" type splices. Most of the edits I saw done and later on old 2"tapes was mostly video only splices.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Another use for this stuff was you could put a piece of scotch tape on the covered area, lift it off and put it on a white 3 x 5 card and check to see where the frame pulse was relative to the vert int. There were a couple other things you could see with this method, but I can't think of them at the moment.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>I knew George Hartman well, he was very good at editing, in any mode. Very nice guy, if I remember He collapsed in the airport on his way back from a remote. If anybody remembers the night time show "Mary Heartman Mary Heartman"? During that time whenever there was a page for George, the girl would always page "George Hartman George Hartman". I think he enjoyed the gag, he was a "Gentle Giant", very well liked by everyone.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Also I can't remember any head damage due to tape splices. The heads could really take a beating, the main damage to them by tape at all was to the small wires coming from the head to the rotary xmfr contacts, and those were easily repaired with a small soldering iron.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>George Keller<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>-----Original Message-----<br>From: Steve Greene <<a href="mailto:Steve.Greene@nara.gov">Steve.Greene@nara.gov</a>><br>To: Quad List <<a href="mailto:quadlist@quadvideotapegroup.com">quadlist@quadvideotapegroup.com</a>><br>Sent: Thu, Dec 2, 2010 10:05 am<br>Subject: Re: [QuadList] Mechanical Splices<o:p></o:p></span></p><div id="AOLMsgPart_3_413384c5-a49e-44e8-b525-2231d6d34273"><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>I had heard that they usually "developed" tracks using a solvent containing fine iron powder, so they could cut at field lines for the video. The control track "should" be in-phase and not jump, if you cut precisely. The audio was a different story.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Of course, playing back spliced tapes always seemed like a crap-shoot to me. Every time I went over a splice, I held my breath for $2000 worth of quad heads.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><br><br> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Steve Greene<br>Archivist<br>Office of Presidential Libraries<br>(301) 837-1772>>> David Crosthwait <<a href="mailto:david@dcvideo.com">david@dcvideo.com</a>> 12/2/2010 9:32 AM >>><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>"you tend to be pleased if they play without frame rolls" Agreed!</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></blockquote></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Yes, I have spliced 2" tape also, and have made some recently in preparing tape for transfer. It's just part of the routine here.</span></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>In my opinion, any sort of physical "L" cut would mean cutting the video first, where the incision would extend only to within the last few millimeters of the top of the 2" tape where the audio track resides, then precisely making a 90 degree cut to the "in sync" audio down the tape, and finishing the incision with a second 90 degree cut. Then, that exact cut (mirrored) would have to be made to the "B" side, to make a proper and seamless mate. Respectfully, I don't see this happening. And if so, it certainly would warrant a round of drinks at the Tiki Room for all the hear the story of success. </span></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><Image.jpeg></span></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>This guy will be happy if the routine splice works. No fancy stuff.</span></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>David</span></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>On Dec 2, 2010, at 2:31 AM, Trevor Brown wrote:</span></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><br><br><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Having made physical splices on quad tapes, you tend to be pleased if they play without frame rolls, yes the sound edit is about half a second after the video edit, and in theory it could to be cured by an L splice, but then the top of the L would be 9" long,. (for a sound and picture cut in the same place)</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>So I think the L splice is a concept that, but would not in practice have been carried out by a physical L cut in the tape, which would be almost impossible to perform, and would be rather hard on the head wheel which would scan across the top of L, getting on for 500 head passes, ( could be expensive in terms of head ware)</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I suspect buy some sort of audio lift, or parallel audio recording although the dates you quote are very early for anything along these lines</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>TrevorB</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>UK Member</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>From:</span></b><span class=apple-converted-space><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'> </span></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'><a href="mailto:quadlist-bounces@quadvideotapegroup.com">quadlist-bounces@quadvideotapegroup.com</a><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>[<a href="mailto:quadlist-bounces@quadvideotapegroup.com?">mailto:quadlist-bounces@quadvideotapegroup.com</a>]<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></b><a href="mailto:trandoc@aol.com">trandoc@aol.com</a><br><b>Sent:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>02 December 2010 04:21<br><b>To:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a href="mailto:quadlist@quadvideotapegroup.com">quadlist@quadvideotapegroup.com</a><br><b>Subject:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Re: [QuadList] Mechanical Splices</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>David,<br><br>Thanks for your reply.<br><br>A little more background on my question:<br><br>My dad, (who worked at CBS 1949-1973, but not in tape) remembers hearing of a 1962 musical show edited with an "L Splice" which was a mechanical cut to include the audio track. This seems to be quite a feat, yet it has been verified by a friend of his who also has memories of such an edit. The editor mentioned might have been a George Hartmann?. This is all I know. Quite a feat and really tough on the headwheel!!<br><br>Regards,<br>Harold</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>-----Original Message-----<br>From: David Crosthwait <<a href="mailto:david@dcvideo.com">david@dcvideo.com</a>><br>To: Quad List <<a href="mailto:quadlist@quadvideotapegroup.com">quadlist@quadvideotapegroupcom</a>><br>Sent: Wed, Dec 1, 2010 6:23 pm<br>Subject: Re: [QuadList] Mechanical Splices</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="AOLMsgPart_2_1ec576d5-7ac0-423e-a4da-76a277c8ac5e"><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Harold, </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>I have not heard of this from a standpoint of physically splicing the tape in a non-straight form. What this "L" cut may be referring to is the practice of cutting the picture and conforming a separate mag or audio tape to have the audio cuts be in-sync with the picture cut. Such a system was in place in the 50's and 60's at NBC Burbank. Having laughs cross the edits also helped in the separate system approach, such as in Laugh-In. On the Cyd Charisse (1959 color) presentation, such a system of post pix edit audio conform was used throughout the program, but was especially critical in the first dance scene, which was heavily spliced. The music track that Cyd danced to was consistent and uninterrupted by the physical cuts.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>David</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><a href="http://www.dcvideo.com/" target="_blank">www.dcvideo.com</a></span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>On Dec 1, 2010, at 3:08 PM,<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a href="mailto:trandoc@aol.com">trandoc@aol.com</a><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>wrote:</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Hi all,<br><br>I would like to access the experience of the list. I have heard of an "L Splice" which was said to compensate for the separation between the video drum and audio stack on a quad machine. 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