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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Trevor:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>While you're here...I'd like to ask you PAL/NTSC
question...but let me tell you and the group the background.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>I lived in Japan for two years 65-67 and was able
to get a full two day personally guided tour of the brand new (at the time) NHK
broadcast center at Tokyo, just after they moved from the old building
downtown.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>I had an outstanding broadcast engineer guide, and
he spoke perfectly good broken english even into deep technical
terms.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>We we're having lunch in cafeteria and all of
sudden he said "NTSC...you know NTSC?...color...very bad...dame (dom-may)...very
bad...NTSC.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>I responded back that I only knew from growing up
that in the early fifties there was something rushed, with our FCC in on it,
RCA, CBS and whatever, but that it was rushed, and maybe not well thought
out.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>I had seen the color banding (moire?) in striped
things in picture back when I was learning to do convergence on the RCA CTC-5
TV's when I was a kid.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>The NHK fellow closed in on "moire" and something
about sub-carrier and stuff.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>I finally asked him "Japan adopted that fantastic
European train system when they did...so why did they go with the NTSC...instead
of the European PAL system? (which at the time I understood does'nt
have that moire problem). He gave me a quite serious response, and believe me it
was'nt funny, but he said to me we believed that a country like America that had
invented the atomic bomb, and atomic power the way we did, that the American
color system "must" be vry good and right.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>So is'nt (or maybe I should say was'nt...we're all
digital now) the PAL system free of the moire problem because of the way it
works?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Steve Spears</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Orrs Island, Maine</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=videovault@sky.com href="mailto:videovault@sky.com">Trevor Brown</A>
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=quadlist@quadvideotapegroup.com
href="mailto:quadlist@quadvideotapegroup.com">'Quad List'</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, April 23, 2010 4:34
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [QuadList] AVR-2 on
eBay</DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Bill<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">I
fought hard at the time to stop the company buying RCA machines with this
option<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">The
602 was a poor vector scope and was dependent on the picture monitor if that
went down you lost the 602 display<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">I
was personally happy for a B/W monitor in the bridge, turn the brightness down
and it shows head banding up better than a color monitor<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">but
I still want a color monitor somewhere in the system, in PAL you can get the
burst to chroma phase 180 degrees out and it looks OK on a vector
scope.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">I
could live with a slot monitor for this, if it was a choice that or a Delta
gun that never really converged, and most available at the time were un
reliable,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">I
think we ended up with Barco monitors in the end, but not in the
bridge<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Trevor
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">UK
Member<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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quadlist-bounces@quadvideotapegroup.com
[mailto:quadlist-bounces@quadvideotapegroup.com] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Bill
Carpenter<BR><B>Sent:</B> 23 April 2010 06:06<BR><B>To:</B> Quad
List<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [QuadList] AVR-2 on
eBay<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">Hey
Chris,<BR><BR>I forgot one thing, in 1976 that machine was worth 100K$, and
the fully loaded monitor bridge, was worth twice the current asking price. It
sold for over 10K$, and Ampex was Tektronix's largest single customer, because
of the way the bridge was configured. <BR><BR>I was told that broadcasters
would not buy a color "slot mask" monitor made from a consumer product (14"
Sony Trinatron) in each tape machine. The thing that made it work was the
decoder in the monitor, which drove the 602 display, to allow you to "phase up
the machine" for playback without a external Vectorscope!<BR><BR>The NTSC
pushbutton was required since the colors in the flesh tones were wrong
compared to Conrac (dot matrix, USA color based) monitors.<BR><BR>So, in the
first year over 80% of the 256 machines we shipped went with the fully loaded
bridge worth over 10K$ <BR><BR>But, then I had only been involved with
broadcast products for a year and a half and really didn't know anything about
products for the broadcast marketplace?<BR><BR>Bill
Carpenter<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">
"Chill315@aol.com" <Chill315@aol.com><BR><B>To:</B>
dwnorwood@embarqmail.com; quadlist@quadvideotapegroup.com<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thu,
April 22, 2010 6:30:59 PM<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [QuadList] AVR-2 on
eBay<BR></SPAN><BR><BR><SPAN
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">The
serial number is low, 352. It looks like they updated it with the
digital timer. If you will note, it does not have the circuit breaker
kit. One would want to consider a couple of field mod upgrades to it but
it does look in good shape from the photos. It should be in the range
where the design was fairly stable.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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