<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><HTML><FONT SIZE=2 PTSIZE=10 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">In a message dated 2/1/2010 5:48:19 AM Pacific Standard Time, james@oldtvgear.com writes:<BR>
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<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">on the topic of "fogged looks"...</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" BACK="#ffffff" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3 PTSIZE=12 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><BR>
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</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" BACK="#ffffff" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 PTSIZE=10 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">over here in australia, just about all NTSC originated material had a "fogged" look to it in the 80's and sometimes still does even now</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" BACK="#ffffff" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3 PTSIZE=12 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><BR>
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</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" BACK="#ffffff" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 PTSIZE=10 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">Saw they were re-airing ALF on 7two digital channel here at 6pm in the evenings...and i thought "ahh" i will be able to see it in as a latest NTSC to PAL digital conversion....but its still as blurry foggy looking and shimmery on movements as when it was aired back in the 80's, i dare say they are sourcing from old conversions...such a shame as some NTSC content can look almost "PAL like" when its converted well</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" BACK="#ffffff" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3 PTSIZE=12 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><BR>
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James,<BR>
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Two "fogged up" comments.<BR>
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In the late 70's and into the 80's there was an FCC crackdown on horizontal blanking width enforcement. Many shows had what was considered to be excessively wide (and technically illegal) horizontal blanking. And in some cases, excessive vertical blanking (more prone to helical scan news sources). But the post-production community was cranking out some problematic tapes that some broadcasters would not air in it's wide blanking form. I recall working with my boss at the time in Dallas in attempting to meet PBS specs for deliverables in 1974. We had to play tricks with front and back porch setup levels to get many masters to pass. A few years later, along came the DVE (as in Sqeezezoom, NEC DVE, and later ADO, to name a few). For many, it was a gift from heaven. Now all of these problematic and vintage masters could be resized (blown up) to meet blanking specs. The problem was that, due to their rather crude electronics at the time, the picture was softened, and in some cases, additional artifacts were introduced. But many program content owners went with it just to get their show on the air. "All In The Family" was one such show I recall seeing later in years that suffered from this procedure. Although I am not sure what you are seeing (could be a combination of things), the old style DVE blowup could be one of those. International delivery specs. were even tougher to meet, hence 525 NTSC masters may have been subjected to even more DVE abuse.<BR>
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When I worked on Rescue 911 here in the U.S. in the nineties, they were using Betacam Oxide exclusively. When I asked why not Betacam SP, they said "we like the look (the softer look)". That "look" helped them with their story telling.<BR>
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David Crosthwait<BR>
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