<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Hi, David and list...<div><br></div><div><div><div>On Jun 2, 2009, at 11:28 AM, <a href="mailto:DCFWTX@aol.com">DCFWTX@aol.com</a> wrote:</div><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Arial; font-size: 11px; ">In a message dated 6/2/2009 11:11:56 AM Pacific Daylight Time, <a href="mailto:ted@quadvideotapegroup.com">ted@quadvideotapegroup.com</a> writes:<br><br><blockquote type="CITE" style="border-left-color: rgb(0, 0, 255); border-left-width: 2px; border-left-style: solid; margin-left: 5px; margin-right: 0px; padding-left: 5px; ">The Toshiba/Fuji reel is interesting, because Toshiba was at one time Ampex's Japanese partner in a company making Quads for the Japanese market. Has me thinking that perhaps it was recorded on a Toshiba-made machine. Now if we could find someone in Japan who knows the background of Japanese Quad manufacture and deployment...<br><br></blockquote><br>I think Richard Diehl knows more about the Sony 2" quad situation. Sony did make a 2" quad machine, however I don't know how wide spread it was in use, or if it was to Ampex standrard. Toshiba did make one as seen in Korea (I have a picture from a friend who saw it while stationed in the military there). Toshiba made a Colortec/Amtec unit that saw a brief introduction in the U.S. before some sort of patent infringement issue came up. I have what apparently is the second one that ever entered the U.S. So, the "Toshiba was at one time Ampex's Japanese partner in a company making Quads for the Japanese market" statement is interesting due to the previous problem with the Toshiba Amtec/Colortec unit. I am CC'ing Jim Wheeler on this.<br><br>The Germans made quads (Bosch). The Russians had some sort of quad based on an AVR-1 that "disappeared" for several years behind the iron curtain, suddenly to "reappear" coincidentally when the Russian made "Kadar 5" (?) came out. This is a story I've heard several times over the years and may be somewhat distorted or dead wrong. <br><br>One last thing about Japanese NTSC recordings: Their black level setup is "zero", not 7.5.<br><br>David Crosthwait<br></span></blockquote></div></div><div><br></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 16px; font-weight: bold; ">Some references:</span></div><div><div>For more background on the Ampex/Toshiba (and Sony Quad) I'd refer you to <a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=JMTnTBmt7F0C&pg=PA93&vq=Ampex,+Toshiba&dq=Ampex,+Toshiba,+Videotape&source=gbs_search_s&cad=0">Page 93 of "The History of Television, 1942-2000</a>" by Albert Abramson.</div><div><br></div><div>Also see P<a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=7WrCSCqMk5gC&pg=PA160&lpg=PA160&dq=Toamco&source=bl&ots=F1oTZlrdrb&sig=PpQacB0RxOTKDXUhG0mCCTMe9iM&hl=en&ei=KKklStSvIJGctgPh9djFBg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2#PPA160,M1">age 160 of the book "Magnetic Recording"</a> by Eric D. Daniel, C. Denis Mee and Mark H. Clark.</div><div><br></div><div>The chapter on Quads by John C. Mallinson says that after the 1956 Quad demo at NAB, a four-month </div><div>"free exchange of technical ideas" was permitted between Ampex and RCA, with Ampex gaining access to </div><div>RCA's color information and "RCA acquiring Ampex's quadruplex scanner know-how."</div><div><br></div><div>In 1959-1961, Mallinson reports that Ampex and Sony "engaged in a slow motion duet" with many visits of </div><div>each company's engineering teams to the other company's facilities. Ampex's main interest was "in gaining </div><div>access to Sony's knowledge and experience in producing solid state electronics. </div><div>The negotiations apparently fell through over patent and intellectual property disputes."</div><div><br></div><div style="font-size: 16px; "><b>Ampex under pressure:</b></div><div>There was pressure for Ampex to do something to get into the Japanese market. </div><div><br></div><div>For one thing, Japanese companies were filing patents that threatened Ampex's position, </div><div>and were making VTR's that resembled the Ampex machine. </div><div><br></div><div>Sony had made an (unlicensed) Quad machine based on the Ampex standard in 1958.</div><div>Take a look here:</div><div><a href="http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/CorporateInfo/History/capsule/09/index.html">http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/CorporateInfo/History/capsule/09/index.html</a></div><div><br></div><div>Sony's take on the development of this machine is here:</div><div><a href="http://www.sony.net/Fun/SH/1-7/h2.html">http://www.sony.net/Fun/SH/1-7/h2.html</a></div><div><br></div><div>and says Sony had a copy of Ampex schematics to work from.</div><div><br></div><div style="font-size: 16px; "><b>The Sony Quad:</b></div><div>This machine in the Sony lab....</div><div><img alt="" width="400" height="306" src="cid:E65D9F58-C6E9-4271-8610-1B9A143B780B"></div><div><br></div><div>Became this... Kinda stylish, eh?</div><div><img alt="" width="250" height="207" src="cid:CC8B554F-D10C-4D73-8221-049E1547F067"> <img alt="Japan's first experimental model VTR." height="240" width="296" src="cid:9E864AE7-F230-443F-A10E-BD04FAF696E4"></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times; font-size: 16px; "><font class="text3"><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Helvetica" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;">Sony says, "While it was capable of recording and reproducing television signals, its </span></font></font></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times; font-size: 16px; "><font class="text3"><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Helvetica" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;">picture quality, noise and stability were still far from satisfactory."</span></font></font><br></span></div><div><br></div><div>In previous posts, we mentioned the Sony/Ampex arrangement re: Sony designing transistor circuitry for Ampex machines,</div><div>which gave Sony the right to make VTR's for the non-broadcast market.</div><div><br></div><div>Abramson says Sony "reneged on the deal" in 1961 "when it put out a transistorized (transverse) machine, </div><div>the SV-201," and showed it at the IRE show in New York City.</div><div><br></div><div>Abramson may be wrong, here, since Sony's website says it was able to do stills... indicating a helical machine.</div><div><a href="http://www.sony.net/Fun/SH/1-10/h1.html">http://www.sony.net/Fun/SH/1-10/h1.html</a></div><div><img alt="The SV-201 all-transistor VTR." width="300" height="254" src="cid:C49CC9A2-D591-4022-A1E3-048FF2005B64"></div><div>The SV-201 used high density, metal powder coated tape.</div><div><br></div><div style="font-size: 17px; "><b>Enter Toshiba... briefly:</b></div><div>Stifled from selling Quad machines in the Japanese market, Ampex complained to the Japanese government, and Abramson reports that Ampex was told they'd better take a Japanese partner if they wished to sell VTR's in Japan.</div><div><br></div><div>Enter an alliance with Sony rival Toshiba for a joint venture called TOAMCO: 51% Toshiba owned, 49% Ampex owned.</div><div>"Infringers" of Ampex patents soon began paying royalties, but Sony continued to refuse, and kept bringing out VTRs using the Ginsburg patent, Abramson says.</div><div><br></div><div>Read <a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=JMTnTBmt7F0C&pg=PA93&vq=Ampex,+Toshiba&dq=Ampex,+Toshiba,+Videotape&source=gbs_search_s&cad=0">page 93</a> of "The History of Television" for what happened during this period.</div><div><br></div><div>In "Magnetic Recording," Mallinson reports that TOAMCO was supposed to handle video recorder sales in Japan with Ampex handling the rest of the world. "With Ampex's technical assistance, Toamco (*lower case) progressively undertook the manufacture of the machines in Japan.</div><div><br></div><div><div>TOAMCO made consumer and home video recorder systems that were sold by Ampex. The company also made computer tape memory and instrumentation products.</div><div><br></div></div><div>Richard Diehl's LabGuy's World website has an example of a consumer/education helical machine from this partnership, the Instavision reel to reel machine that was a "drop-in load" machine.</div><div><a href="http://www.labguysworld.com/AmpexInstavideo.htm">http://www.labguysworld.com/AmpexInstavideo.htm</a></div><div><br></div><div>And here's something that popped up in a Google search for TOAMCO:</div><div><a href="http://www.cpcs.umb.edu/labor_notes/files/13105.pdf">http://www.cpcs.umb.edu/labor_notes/files/13105.pdf</a></div><div><br></div><div>A Japanese labor union official at Toshiba-Ampex saying that Toshiba forced TOAMCO into a fake bankruptcy to close TOAMCO and bust the union! A claim that was later ruled "a crime" by a Japanese Labor Relations Board.</div><div><br></div><div style="font-size: 16px; "><b>By Gosh, It's a Bosh:</b></div><div>Robert Bosch's Fernseh division made a limited number of quads through its long-time connection with RCA. </div><div><br></div><div>RCA provided licenses for <i>its</i> patents, and for the Ampex technology it acquired the use of through the "RCA Color for 'How Ampex did it" cross-licensing, but Fernseh was apparently limited in how many units it could make a year, tied the Ampex licenses to RCA, which made RCA's quads possible.</div><div><br></div><div>Here's a tube-type Bosch Fernseh BM20, the first Bosch Quad model which is pictured on </div><div>the <a href="http://www.fernsehmuseum.info/&ei=UnwlSv3HDpzyswP6sYGiBg&sa=X&oi=translate&resnum=2&ct=result&prev=/search%253Fq%253DFernseh%252Bmuseum%2526hl%253Den%2526client%253Dsafari%2526rls%253Den-us">Deutsches Fernsehmuseum Wiesbaden</a> website:</div><div><br></div><div><img width="640" height="480" border="0" alt="" src="cid:80ECA732-CF95-4B74-8C20-F55DAD255D05"></div><div><br></div><div>Does it seem to look like a brother to a certain line of Telecines that came decades later? The doors</div><div>have me wondering whether there was an air circulation and filter system that would improve head life</div><div>and reduce errant particle-caused dropouts.</div><div><br></div><div>Here are a trio of what the Fernsehmuseum website reports to be <a href="http://74.125.155.132/translate_c?hl=en&sl=de&u=http://www.fernsehmuseum.info/magnetbandtechn.html&prev=/search%25253Fq%25253DFernseh%25252Bmuseum%252526hl%25253Den%252526client%25253Dsafari%252526rls%25253Den-us&rurl=translate.google.com&usg=ALkJrhikcdVg5HvYavZ81NopSbbWsswDdw">BCM-40 solid-state</a><a href="http://74.125.155.132/translate_c?hl=en&sl=de&u=http://www.fernsehmuseum.info/magnetbandtechn.html&prev=/search%253Fq%253DFernseh%252Bmuseum%2526hl%253Den%2526client%253Dsafari%2526rls%253Den-us&rurl=translate.google.com&usg=ALkJrhikcdVg5HvYavZ81NopSbbWsswDdw"> Bosch quads....</a></div><div>and there's a <a href="http://74.125.155.132/translate_c?hl=en&sl=de&u=http://www.fernsehmuseum.info/fese-bm-40.html&prev=/search%253Fq%253DBosch%252BBCM40%2526hl%253Den%2526client%253Dsafari%2526rls%253Den-us%2526sa%253DN%2526start%253D10&rurl=translate.google.com&usg=ALkJrhiTtkDd0PhHJTXHaks2pblPapjK8A">page about them</a>. They were introduced in 1967, if my translation of the Google translation is OK.</div><div><img width="640" height="480" border="0" alt="" src="cid:EB935771-280F-451F-82AB-CCA2CDEBE266"></div><div>They were introduced in 1967, if my translation of the Google translation is OK.</div><div><br></div><div>And a pair of RCA machines from the <a href="http://74.125.155.132/translate_c?hl=en&sl=de&u=http://www.fernsehmuseum.info/magnetbandtechn.html&prev=/search%253Fq%253DFernseh%252Bmuseum%2526hl%253Den%2526client%253Dsafari%2526rls%253Den-us&rurl=translate.google.com&usg=ALkJrhikcdVg5HvYavZ81NopSbbWsswDdw">same site</a> for comparison:</div><div><img width="640" height="480" border="0" alt="" src="cid:79471406-D804-45CA-BE53-52743504B4DB"></div><div><br></div><div>The museum's page on the BCM40C reports the C model appeared in 1972:</div><div><img width="800" height="755" border="0" alt="" src="cid:EC96274C-D2FC-4E01-9225-6A157FC920ED"></div><div><br></div><div>and here's what's also said to be a Bosch BCM40 provided by Gunnar Mass, from a Wikipedia page about Quad:</div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#144FAE"><span class="Apple-style-span" style=""><span class="Apple-style-span" style="text-decoration: underline;"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/</a></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); "><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quadruplex_videotape" style="text-decoration: none;">Quadruplex_videotape</a></span></span></font></div><div><br></div><div><img alt="File:BOSCH 2 ZOLL QUADRUPLEX BCM 40.jpg" width="450" height="599" border="0" src="cid:61D1FEE2-0CE4-45A1-B049-A2E93F95CA72"></div><div>Click here for <a href="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/db/BOSCH_2_ZOLL_QUADRUPLEX_BCM_40.jpg">BCM40 High Resolution image</a> via Wikipedia</div><div><br></div><div><div>Note how the deck is upside down, á la Ampex AVR-1 and RCA TR600.</div><div>With the limited amount of room at the top, it looks like one would have banged</div><div>knuckles threading things, particularly around the capstan in the upper right.</div><div><br></div><div>The upper panel colors are gray and the control panel on the right of the deck</div><div>is noticeably different from the BCM-40C above. </div><div><br></div><div>No "winding knob" in the center of the panel.. </div><div>although there appears to be what could be one on the bottom row of controls.</div></div><div><br></div><div>It's asserted on this webpage (and several that copy this page) that no Fernseh (Bosch) units </div><div>were ever sold in the US. That may or may not be true in terms of "Sold."</div><div><br></div><div>However, I've seen what appears to be one on the <a href="http://mysite.verizon.net/vzeosw1p/cti2006/id9.html">website </a>that former </div><div>KNBC engineer, longtime Virginia director/production co. owner Bruce Braun has. </div><div><br></div><div>This photo is Bruce at KHOF-TV, 30, Los Angeles with the machine in question, </div><div>opposite the deck of a VR-1000 he's leaning on.. </div><div><img height="215" width="296" apple-width="yes" apple-height="yes" src="cid:4FFA9728-4DF2-4293-9146-33A59FD98D47"></div><div><br></div><div>At some point, KHOF-TV also had a </div><div>VR-1200 w/sidecar and VR-2000:</div><div><img height="471" width="699" apple-width="yes" apple-height="yes" src="cid:12D62D7C-CFF6-4C8B-A24C-641A35D9DB95"></div><div><br></div><div>Some of you might remember KHOF-TV as the </div><div>Reverend Gene Scott's flagship station for his "House of Faith"</div><div>broadcasts late at night? </div><div><br></div><div>But that's another story entirely!</div><div><br></div><div><div apple-content-edited="true"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 12px; ">Ted Langdell</span></font></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 12px; ">Secretary</span></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 12px; ">Skype: <span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre; "> </span>TedLangdell</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 12px; ">e-mail:<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre; "> </span><a href="mailto:ted@quadvideotapegroup.com">ted@quadvideotapegroup.com</a></span></font></div></span></div></span></div></span></div></span> </div><br></div></div></body></html>