<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div><div>On Jan 8, 2009, at 10:26 AM, Tony Quinn wrote:</div><br><blockquote type="cite">Elsewhere somebody has suggested the following referring to "Rowan and Martin's Laugh-In".<br><br><blockquote type="cite">I read something *very interesting* about R&MLI recently<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">The finished show was so fast paced that the only way they<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">could edit it, was to transfer all the material from tape to<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">film, edit the film conventionally, then use that as a guide<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">to dub the master tape. A sort of early off-line editing.<br></blockquote><br>Is there any truth in the suggestion - I'd imagine that there would be issues with 24fps telerecordings and 29.97 NTSC tapes.<br><br>Were there any 30fps telerecorders available at the time?<br><br>I know that we struggled to get intermittent motion machines to run at 25fps, so I suspect that a 20% increase in frame rate would be nigh on impossible. It *does* sound like bullshit to me, but I thought that i'd ask</blockquote><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#0000DD"><br></font></div></div><div><br></div><div>The answer is that NBC did indeed make kinescopes and edit the film, then matchback using tape.</div><div><br></div><div>The late engineer/editing system and software designer Jack Callaway has a description on his website, in the museum section:</div><div><br></div><div><a href="http://www.sssm.com/editing/museum/index.html">http://www.sssm.com/editing/museum/index.html.</a></div><div><br></div><div>Click on the "Offline" link in the left nav bar and look for "Laugh In" in the middle of the page:</div><div><br></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px; font-family: Verdana; ">One of the most popular shows of its day was NBC's "Laugh-In" (1968 - 1973). This show was recorded and conformed on two inch tape, but edited on film. This was done before the advent of Time Code or electronic editing.<p>During taping, "Editor Sync Guide" (ESG) was recorded on the second audio channel. ESG consists of two voices counting.</p><p>After taping, the selected takes were transferred to 16-millimeter film, with mag audio, and the ESG.</p><p>The film and audio tracks were then cut using tradition film techniques.</p><p>Once the offline was completed, the video tape editor manually conformed the video tape, using the Smith splicer, and making his cuts based on the ESG. <br> <br><a name="ESG"></a>Click here if you're interested in more about <a href="http://www.sssm.com/editing/museum/offline/esg.html">Editors Sync Guide</a> <span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px; font-family: Helvetica; ">for an article written by Art Schneider, ACE in December, 2002. It's a really detailed description of the process.</span></p><p><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4" face="Helvetica"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px; ">There's an audio sample of the Editor's Sync Guide as a Quicktime file.</span></font></p><p><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px; font-family: Helvetica; ">Schneider edited the Gene Kelly Pontiac Star Parade special that started this thread, and was first used on the 1958 Fred Astaire special previously posted about.</span></p><p><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4" face="Helvetica"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px; ">The direct link is here: </span></font><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4" face="Helvetica"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px; "><a href="http://www.sssm.com/editing/museum/offline/esg.htm"></a></span></font><a href="http://www.sssm.com/editing/museum/offline/esg.htm"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4" face="Helvetica"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px; ">http://www.sssm.com/editing/museum/offline/esg.html</span></font></a></p></span></div><div><p>Arthur Schneider, A.C.E., started in television in 1951 with NBC at the Sunset and Vine Studios. His autobiography "Jump Cut! Memoirs of a Pioneer Television Editor" details his career.</p><blockquote>Jump Cut!"<br>McFarland & Co.<br>Box 611<br>Jefferson<br>North Carolina 28640</blockquote></div><div>He wrote four books, including "My Fifty Years of Television History: Been There, Done That." and two others... technical books about electronic post.</div><div><br></div><div>He had a website that's not now active, but has been archived here:</div><div><br></div><div><a href="http://mysite.verizon.net/restlkln/">http://mysite.verizon.net/restlkln/</a></div><div><br></div><div>Ted.</div><br><div><div><br></div></div><div apple-content-edited="true"> <span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 12px; ">Ted Langdell</span></font></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 12px; ">Secretary </span></div></div></span></span></span></span></div></span></div></body></html>