<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Interesting, Ted.<div><br></div><div>I guess it comes down to what is in the contract and what isn't.</div><div><br></div><div>My contract (for professional services) with the Walt Disney Company says that my work is "for hire" and belongs to them "for any and all purposes whatsoever." It continues that I, "hereby assigns and/or grants, in consideration for the compensation provided hereunder, all rights, including, without limitations, all exclusive exploitation rights, of every kind and nature, in and such Works to Disney. The Works are owned by Disney, "solely and exclusively, for the duration of the rights in each country, in all languages, and throughout the world in perpetuity." It then talks about "New Exploitation Rights" to cover anything that had yet to be invented, saying, "without further compensation to Consultant." It then says I cannot challenge the use of the rights, "through the courts, administrative governmental bodies, private organizations, and/or in any other manner." Also, it owns my image and likeness, "and the right to use and re-use pictures, silhouettes and other reproductions of Consultants likeness and voice...in all media, whether now known and/or hereafter devised, throughout the Universe in perpetuity."</div><div><br></div><div>So it depends on what Fred signed when he did his TV special. It's possible someone owns the special and his estate may not be in line for any payments.</div><div><br></div><div><div apple-content-edited="true"> <span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><div><div>Best,</div><div>Park</div><div><br></div></div><div>C. Park Seward</div><div>Cell: 818-535-2747</div><div>Home: 949-679-1870</div><div>Visit us: <a href="http://www.videopark.com">http://www.videopark.com</a></div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"></span></div></span></div></span><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"> </div><br><div><div>On Dec 28, 2008, at 2:01 PM, Ted Langdell wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div>Hi, Park and David</div><div><br></div><div>I'd think the problem with seeing some of these shows being released on DVD is related to clearing various rights and making payments.</div><div><br></div><div>Rights would include the various "star" appearances and performance rights to the music and likely payments to musicians (or their estates) who were part of the orchestras involved. The time involved might be rather costly. Among other things. :(</div><div><br></div><div>Unfortunately, television producers and networks weren't able to or didn't "think into the future" and secure the rights for distribution 50+ years later.</div><div><br></div><div>Too bad, since I think there's a market for DVD's of shows like these, just as we're seeing markets for current programs and old movies.</div><div><br></div><div>As I mentioned in my previous post about the Gene Kelly Pontiac show, KTLA Engineer Don Kent and Engineer/Historian Ed Reitan were involved in the transfer of the 1958 Astaire special and other early Quad color tapes.</div><div><br></div><div>As part of a series of e-mails how that came about, Don e-mailed that:</div><div><br></div><div>"The Astaire masters were found by a former employee of the UCLA Archive who was then working for Universal. He found them in their tape library. They didn't even know they had them. They were there because Astaire had a distribution deal with them, but primarily (I think) because of his movies.</div><div> </div><div>When Astaire died, Universal sold the "restored" shows to Disney. They hadn't even been done yet!</div><div> </div><div>The restored D-2 is owned by Universal and is there now. The original quads are in the UCLA Film and Television Archive in Hollywood."</div><div><br></div><div>In a follow up he notes: <font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">"Mrs. Astaire insisted, through her lawyer, that we add a copyright date at the end of the original credits. We did, but I really don't think that show was copyrighted back then."</font></div><div><br></div><div>This LA Times article from 1997... <a href="http://articles.latimes.com/1997/aug/17/entertainment/ca-23118">http://articles.latimes.com/1997/aug/17/entertainment/ca-23118</a></div><div><br></div><div>indicates many of Astaire's films are controlled by Turner, and goes into the how Astaire's widow, Robyn, was handling clip requests—high fees, potential users said—and outlines a legal battle she waged against a production company tied to a chain of licensed Astaire dance studios. The videos used public domain clips from old Astaire movies at the head of a series of "how to dance" videos.</div><div><br></div><div><b>David</b>: Is this what you might have been referring to?</div><div><br></div><div>Astaire's widow fought that usage all the way to the US Supreme Court, which rejected hearing an appeal of an appellate court decision in favor of the dance video clip usage.</div><div><br></div><div>She went to Sacramento and got then Sen. John Burton to sponsor SB 209, which became law in 1999.</div><div><a href="http://www.supnik.com/cc33441.htm">http://www.supnik.com/cc33441.htm</a></div><div><br></div><div>Among other things, it extended the right of heirs to control deceased celebrities images from 50 years to 70 years from their death.</div><div><br></div><div>The law was amended in 2007 to include people like Marilyn Monroe, who died before the 1999 revision was in place. The revision made the "Astaire Celebrity Image Protection Act" benefits retroactive:</div><div><a href="http://www.hklaw.com/id24660/PublicationId2331/ReturnId31/contentid50127/">http://www.hklaw.com/id24660/PublicationId2331/ReturnId31/contentid50127/</a></div><div><br></div><div>So even if any copyrights expire soon... the right to use a deceased person's performance in an early videotape may not be something easy to come by.</div><div><br></div><div>Universal and/or Disney obviously was able to make arrangements for the Astaire specials, so it is possible... but it would be nice to know the cost.</div><div><br></div><div>Ted</div><div apple-content-edited="true"> </div><br><div apple-content-edited="true"> <span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 12px; ">Ted Langdell</span></font></div><div><br></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 12px; ">Secretary for the <a href="http://www.quadvideotapegroup.com/">QuadVideotapeGroup.com</a><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 10px; ">: </span></span></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 12px; ">Preserving Tape, Equipment and the Knowledge to use them, in conjunction with the Library of Congress</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 12px; "><a href="mailto:ted@quadvideotapegroup.com">ted@quadvideotapegroup.com</a></span></font></div></div></span></span></span></span></div></span></div></div></blockquote></div></div></body></html>